But I've read time and again that the 250 speer from the Whelen is an EXCELLENT bullet. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. Thanks, Mike. Both loads are right at 2600 fps. Works great. There are those who prefer the higher Sectional Density figures of the .338” caliber, and then there are those who opt for the larger frontal diameter of the .358” bullets. She went down in a hurry. I've shot 8 elk with the .35 Whelen, 5 elk (and one moose and one caribou) with the 250 speer GS, one elk with the speer 250 psp, one with a Hornady 250RN, One with Barnes x 225. However, Ive not seen any differences in the terminal effects of my 35 Whelen and .338 Win Mag, inside of the range of the Whelen. 221 Rem Fireball. Compared to the 35 Whelen, the 338-06 has better long range capability. I haven't looked at the TSX's yet but it sounds like another good possiblility. In keeping with the .35-caliber curse, the .35 Whelen never caught the fancy of the mainstream American hunting public. On a running away shot, the 250-grain Whelen Core-Lokt caused that elk to crumple into a heap. They just plain expire in their tracks. The only elk I'ver ever lost was shot poorly with a Nosler 225 BT. I live in Boise City & my .35 can kill deer, elk, … I like the .35 Rem in those situations in a nice light rifle. Here in Washington state we have the largest elk species the Roosevelt and I have shot many with each of these rifles. Also, no problem with brass, ever. What I don't like about any of the 35's is the selection of available bullets. Starting velocities ranged from 2350 to 2550 fps, depending on loads. I've had great luck with the 250gr Speer hotcore. I have had excellent results with Nosler Partions, 250gr, at 2500 fps in my Whelen, both on elk and bear and in Africa. “Only accurate rifles are interesting.” So goes the quote from Col. Townsend Whelen, and he was right. 222 Rem. Todate I've used my whelen on 2 hunts and have taken 3 animals with it. Rifle Cartridges. Joined: Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:18 pm Posts: 1602 Location: Houghton Lake, Michigan Have any of you used the 250 sp-rp interlock on elk or bear? My fault, but I won't use that bullet on anything big again either. I prefer the Whelen myself for the nice smooth loading out of the magazine. When comparing the larger offspring of the .30-’06 Springfield—the .338-’06 A-Square and the .35 Whelen - you’ll see very similar bullet weights and muzzle velocities. Took a large bodied bull moose last fall at 251yds with the 250gr Speer @ 2550fps from my 35 Whelen... and it punched right on through. If you're stuck on 250's I'd try the Nosler Partition, otherwise I'd use the 225 TSX and not look back... Heres another vote for the Barnes 225 grain TSX. My Dad’s rifle is actually chambered in a wildcat round — .35 Whelen Improved — which allows it to be loaded a bit hotter than the .35 Whelen. 20 Nosler. You'll be more than fine for elk. In a pinch, .30-’06 Springfield brass can be converted into Whelen cartridges without much trouble at all. Also, H&R 1871 Inc. offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. 220 Swift. For Elk, I would use either the 225 gr … After a decade of hunting with the 35 Whelen I have gained a fair bit of real-life experience with 35 caliber hunting bullets. 223 Rem. 338-06 A-Square is one very outstanding round. I'm using 225gr TXSs. 223 WSSM. 17 Rem Fireball. 22 Caliber.224” Diameter. I want my elk bullets to penetrate fully because we hunt in dense bush and have no tracking snow during our early season here is Saskatchewan. It offers a wider, heavier bullet than does the parent case, in an action and rifle that is of similar proportions. The man had a huge influence on cartridge development; as the commanding officer of the Frankford Arsenal he teamed up with James Howe—later of Griffin & Howe fame—to use the .30-’06 case as the basis for cartridges of many different calibers. Even Weatherby is building rifles for it. Am I thinking on the right track or could I expect to need to take longer shots? While there is good evidence that it was Howe, and not Whelen that actually designed the “.35-‘06”, Whelen’s name was attached to it, and the rest is history. round nose at 2100fps. In the 1920s, the magnum-length receivers—required to house the .375 H&H case—were very expensive to import, and if a hunter wanted to approach that level of performance, the .35 Whelen made all kinds of sense. 17 Rem. I've killed elk, caribou and mule deer with 250 Speer Grand Slam and Hornady 250 RN Interlock bullets without the hint of a problem. 1/14 barrel. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Friday, January 13, 2017. For a while rifle makers abandoned the cartridge. 22 PPC-USA. • .454 Casull• .375 H&H Magnum• .45 Colt• .22-250 Remington• 10mm Auto• .308 Winchester, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. Your 35 Whelen with the load you have will perform very well on elk at any reasonable distance, given proper placement. Or better yet, find a 30-06 Ruger 1 or Winchester 1885 highwall and have it rebored to 35 whelen. Only one kill with the Whelen on a Colorado elk. I’ve used the .35 Whelen for elk as well as moose, and in reasonably close cover it’s perfect for either. I am no expert but any recent long action 30-06 bolt gun should be able to be rebarrelled to 35 whelen. The 200-grain bullets will move at 2,800 fps from the muzzle, and the heavy 250-grain bullets will achieve an honest 2,450 fps, with an energy figure of over 3,200 ft.-lbs., perfect for the large bears and moose, in addition to any and all of the African plains game. A 200 can be loaded to the same velocity in the .35 Whelen as the 180 in a .30-06. 22-250 Rem. Going Rem 700 opens up lots of options for supporting parts. I am planning on taking my Whelen for a elk hunt this coming fall as well. In addition, the lighter bullets—the 180 and 200 grain slugs made famous in the .35 Remington—are equally useful for the lighter game species; couple that with the fact that the pistol bullets for the .38 Special and .357 Magnum are available for practice and plinking and you can get a good idea of the Whelen’s versatility. The .35 Whelen will neatly handle all of the North American ungulates, including moose and elk, and if trajectory is a concern, the 225-grain bonded-core spitzers will offer a good blend of terminal performance and flatter bullet path. The 200 and 225-grain AccuBond® are excellent bullet choices for this cartridge, and is suitable for any North American big game. Is the Hornady a Spire Point? 222 Rem Mag. I think the 200 grain bullets are a poor choice for elk in our type of hunting, similar to what I read about stalking in the 'black timber' of the American rockies. 20 Caliber.204” Diameter. and 250 gr. I drive a 225 grain Nosler Partition Jacket 2,800 fps. The shot was behind the front shoulder. I used a 35 Whelen to take an elk at 210 yards. While it was conceived in 1922, it would remain a wildcat until Remington—who seems to have a knack for legitimizing some of the best wildcats—gave it a certificate of legitimacy in 1988, in their Model 700 Classic rifle. The 35 whelen is a fine round for hunting. I even like it for deer hunting in those areas that have a healthy bear population; while it’s a touch heavy for a universal deer rifle, it will most certainly work, and you’ll be well armed should you bump a bear in a most inconvenient location. My 35 Whelen shoots both the 250 Speer and 250 Hornady into less than 2" @ 200. I have taken large and tough animals with this rifle (elk in Colorado and Idaho, and zebra in South Africa) … 225 Win. The case itself is rather efficient; even the light-for-caliber bullet will run on a powder charge of less than 65 grains, and that powder charge mates perfectly with a standard large rifle primer. 10at6 - My .35 Whelen shoots both the 225 and the 250 grain Noslers very well and they've performed great for me. 22 BR Rem. You simply DO NOT need a premium in the Whelen....EVER. I've shot 8 elk with the .35 Whelen, 5 elk (and one moose and one caribou) with the 250 speer GS, one elk with the speer 250 psp, one with a Hornady 250RN, One with Barnes x 225. I have both .35 Whelen (Rem Woodsmaster Auto and Rem 700 CDL) and .350 Remington Mag's (Rem Classic 700 and Rem Model 660 circa 1967). Stay within 250 yards and use the 225 grain Nosler Partition or Woodleigh would be my advice. The .35 Whelen will neatly handle all of the North American ungulates, including moose and elk, and if trajectory is a concern, the 225-grain bonded-core spitzers will offer a good blend of terminal performance and flatter bullet path. I've never had a Whelen, so I haven't used either. The Nosler 225-grain AccuBond (left) is about as aerodynamic as they get, and it still rates only .430, as compared to the 160-grain 7mm bullet (BC: .531) shown for comparison. I'm thinking that most shots will be less than 150 yards and in most cases way under that so both guns will be adequate as far as range goes. Being simply the .30-’06 Springfield necked up to hold .358” caliber bullets, the .35 Whelen filled a huge void in the American cartridge lineup. 250 grains of bullet is a LOT of bullet and elk sure as heck are not hard to kill when hit remotely well. I LOVE it!! The .350 Remington Magnum is just about the ballistic twin of the Whelen, but comes with case capacity issues, giving a definite advantage to the Whelen case. The 35 Whelen is a well-behaved cartridge, and is at its best with medium burning powders like IMR4350. Broadside shot through the lungs made a big hole and jellied the lungs pretty good. The .35 Whelen does its best work on light to mid weight game when loaded with 200-225 grain bullets, the 225 grain weight being versatile across a wide range of game and can tackle Elk … Looking for previous installments of Behind the Bullet? I personally think it would go through both shoulders with no problem. I have tried the new Nosler Custom loads and have been pleased with the accuracy of both the 225 gr. While there are a number of good factory loads available—including the Hornady Superformance, Federal Premium Trophy Bonded Bear Claw and Nosler Custom Partition—the reloader can fully take advantage of the premium and boutique bullets, even further extending the versatility of the Whelen case. The .35 Whelen will be used with 225gr Nosler Partitions or Barnes Triple Shock. My review is based on real-life (or death) as it were, use of these bullets on elk and moose. The Whelen is also an excellent cartridge for pig hunting on any continent. TBBC and consistently had great luck. The 338-06 (338-06 A-Square) is now a factory round. All were loaded to 2500 fps. 22 Nosler. ’06 right through the .35 dies and BAM! If the range is over 250 yards with the Whelen, you may not get expansion with the TSX, inspite of what they advertise at Whelen velocities. Tough gristle plates are no match for the Whelen’s stout bullets, especially when using some of the stronger, modern bullet designs. by Philip Massaro - It would perform better than the .30-’06 on the truly large game of North America, making it a perfectly logical choice for the wilds of Alaska and Western Canada. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2020 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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(Well, OK, there was the one finishing shot through the neck that I found because the ground under the prostrate buck's neck was. Take a look at the 375 whelen (Schofield) or the 338-06. The .35 Whelen is not the most popular of the .30-‘06s offspring, but it is a well-balanced .35 caliber cartridge; offering more velocity than the .35 Remington or .358 Winchester, yet much less recoil than the .358 Norma Magnum or .358 STA. To tell ya the truth, both the Hornady and Speer make great bullets at 2,600fps and a premium is not needed. The 225 gr Sierra is a great bullet in my M700 Classic 35 Whelen for target shooting. I've always had very good luck getting Hornadys to shoot well, and my CDL Whelen will consistantly lay a magazine full into a MOA with R12/R15/H4895/IMR4895/H BLC-2. .35 Whelen: The Poor Man’s Magnum | Big Game Hunting Blog Even Remington had given up and was no longer offering rifles in .35 Whelen. Any idea which might perform better? the differance in on game performance between the 35 whelen and 338-06 is extremely small, but again theres a better selection of bullets with thicker jackets and a slight advantage in ballistic cof. The previous year I used a 270WSM. It appears that this load has been discontinued. Hornady Hornady Hornady, Speers are't bad either, but are a bit more difficult to get to shoot well in my experience. if you don t need to take a cross canyon shot the 35 Whelen is a better than a magnum because it can be considerably lighter on a 20 /22 inch barrel,,, Inside 300 yards the Whelen drops Elk/Moose as well as any magnum While I haven't shot any moose with the 35 Whelen yet,but I have shot a cow elk with my T/C Encore 15" 35 Whelen handgun,using a handloaded Hornady 250gr. I tried 250 gr. you got .35 Whelen. I have had bad experiences with TSX's when velocity drops under 2,200 fps. In countries where the Whelen meets the legal requirements, it makes a good choice for lion and leopard, and is a fantastic cartridge for black bears anywhere you find them. loads. 204 Ruger. The primary load of the .35 Whelen was a 250-grain bullet at around 2,500 fps, though some hunters preferred a 275-grain roundnose, notably a gun writer/guide/rancher named Elmer Keith, who in 1937 stopped a charging Alaskan brown bear with several 275-grain Western Tool & Cooper Works bullets from a .35 Whelen built on a Springfield action. The .35 Whelen is fully capable of using the full range of .35 caliber bullets, including the big 250-grain slugs. Here's my question for you experienced Whelen shooters.. My heavy rifle is a customized '03 Springfield in .35 Brown-Whelen. I like the Grand Slams, but I think any regular 250 grain bullet will do as well. In my experience, the recoil of the two cartridges is just about the same, or so close as not to make a difference. What I really love it for, however, is tough stuff that I’m extremely unlikely to encounter, or get shots at, at longer distances. Reloader 15 is really the go to powder and makes the cartridge shine with bullet weights from 200 up to 250 grains. We've got you covered. While there were many, including the massive .400 Whelen—it is the .35 Whelen that is most closely associated with the good Colonel. 17 Caliber.172” Diameter. Compared to the 7mm rem mag at 300 yards, the 338-06 still outclasses the 7 by a couple hundred ft-lbs of energy with a bigger heavier bullet; and that's with the same amount of powder as a 270 or 280 and light weight rifle. Post subject: Re: 35 Whelen Elk Loads. There are a number of good reasons to own a Whelen. I have only taken one animal with a friend's 35 Whelen in a Remington 7600 with the 250 gr Corlokt bullet; a cow elk at over 400 yards. My shots on the elk are generally at close range, I hunt northslope black timber.. Elk died but the performance of the 225 grain tsx bullet was a little disappointing. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. 35 Whelen Load Data. I can highly recommend two loads for the 35 Whelen, the 200 gr Hornady Superformance for Deer and Hog and the 250 gr Nosler Partition for African PG. Speers and they failed to preform anywhere near as well as the Noslers, in fact they were terrible. What follows is a review of the 3 bullets I have used the most; 225 grain Nosler Accubond, 250 grain Speer Hot-Cor, and the 225 grain Barnes TSX. I presume the bullets have held together well, because the wound channels were efficient and the animals all died forthwith -- but I haven't recovered any of the bullets. All were loaded to 2500 fps. This rifle flattens elk! One of the .35 Whelen's only failings is that 0.358-inch-diameter bullets in typical weights have relatively low BCs. I suspect it would do the job … The 35 Whelen has held on because it is a good cartridge, pushes a bigger bullet than the 30-06, bigger is always better on game, and works fine out to 300 yards, which is far enough for most shooter's abilities. 22 Hornet. 35 Whelen by: Steve Koozer Yes Mark the 35 Whelen is just a necked up 30-06 the max COL is the same as the 06 same with the brass trim length. For the serious black bear hunter, I feel the Whelen would make a perfect choice, if you’re setting up a rifle for that purpose, and I’d bet you’d be reaching for that rifle more often than you think. Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:04 am . IMO the 35 Whelen and the 250 gn NP is a match made in heaven. I made it a point to use the whelen and 225 tsx on deer this year to see if expansion would be an issue. I used the 140gr Accubond in the 270 and it did OK on Elk, but it just didn't have the smack down I would have liked. Better at shorter ranges rather than cross-canyon shots, but effective just the same. I have had great success with the 225 gr Nosler PT. The bigger .35s are excellent for elk but are just too much recoil for deer when faced with close range timber hunting. All exited, except one of the GS (lengthwise through a cow as it she towards me at 150 yds, found under the hide of the ham) and the 225 X, which broke both shoulders and a rib on a bull broadside at 80 yd, found under the hide of the far shoulder. These guns really perform on Elk and Moose. I have taken 15 animals to date with the Federal 225 gr. By Philip Massaro - Friday, January 13, 2017 the cartridge shine bullet! There were many, including the massive.400 Whelen—it 35 whelen for elk the selection available! Reloader 15 is really the go to powder and makes the cartridge shine bullet! 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